Happy Buddah Posted August 7, 2009 Report Posted August 7, 2009 i never said i made it from scratch... i'm saying art doesn't have to be from scratch to be art. i wouldn't necessarily call adding 50+ layers to something, "adding sprinkles." give it a shot and i'm sure you'll understand that the work and ideas involved behind making good photo manipulations takes a shit load more skill than you would imagine. i'm going to guess that you are not very experienced in photoshop, because honestly if you were you would understand.
xX Epsilon Xx Posted August 7, 2009 Report Posted August 7, 2009 May I flame someone too? Who shall I pick?
DEEhunter Posted August 7, 2009 Report Posted August 7, 2009 (edited) i never said i made it from scratch... i'm saying art doesn't have to be from scratch to be art. i wouldn't necessarily call adding 50+ layers to something, "adding sprinkles." give it a shot and i'm sure you'll understand that the work and ideas involved behind making good photo manipulations takes a shit load more skill than you would imagine. i'm going to guess that you are not very experienced in photoshop, because honestly if you were you would understand.I do understand what you are meaning about the work behind creating such images, but what I am trying to convince is that: if you where to take someone else's work and photo manipulate it, etc. Would it be appreciated more then someone that where to make a peice of art to see there idea of the world? Or to see something that came completely out of there mind?You didn't need to, the point was that you didn't make the original picture. Edited August 7, 2009 by DEEhunter
Happy Buddah Posted August 7, 2009 Report Posted August 7, 2009 making something from scratch does not automatically mean that it is "better" than something not made entirely from scratch. if just as much work was put into making a piece that's not from scratch as making a piece from scratch, why does the piece from scratch deserve to be better? if i take a shit on a canvas, does that put it above everybody who didn't make something from scratch? there are programs that allow you to make amazing landscapes very very easily, but i do not believe the fact that you used a program to create this landscape "from scratch" makes it amazing. if you want to get technical, you did not create the program that creates your models for you based on your parameters. using this idea, i could say that you did not technically create it from scratch, but if a painter was to paint the exact same image, then they would have. maybe that's not the best example, but what i'm trying to say is that if the end result is the same, why does it matter how you got there? sure it's impressive, but it doesn't make the art anymore visually appealing or artistic in that sense.
PREPPY DIABLO Posted August 7, 2009 Author Report Posted August 7, 2009 @HB you are an AMAZING gfx'er but that doesnt make more special than any1 else here. @DEE you can model pretty good. but dont pick on the work HB does until youve tried it and seen how diffucult it really is. wow contest --> flame war? take it somewhere else.
DEEhunter Posted August 7, 2009 Report Posted August 7, 2009 (edited) making something from scratch does not automatically mean that it is "better" than something not made entirely from scratch. if just as much work was put into making a piece that's not from scratch as making a piece from scratch, why does the piece from scratch deserve to be better? if i take a shit on a canvas, does that put it above everybody who didn't make something from scratch? there are programs that allow you to make amazing landscapes very very easily, but i do not believe the fact that you used a program to create this landscape "from scratch" makes it amazing. if you want to get technical, you did not create the program that creates your models for you based on your parameters. using this idea, i could say that you did not technically create it from scratch, but if a painter was to paint the exact same image, then they would have. maybe that's not the best example, but what i'm trying to say is that if the end result is the same, why does it matter how you got there? sure it's impressive, but it doesn't make the art anymore visually appealing or artistic in that sense.I know what you are saying. You may show art in any form and way that your heart contends to. But the idea of making it from scratch is not what I am meaning. If your end result is ment to look like something else then your creation isn't really being creative now is it?. Yes I know that applies to me when I re-create models from other games but I do it so that I may enhance my modeling skills. Which may be similar when it comes to creating the signatures like you guys do(to enhance your photoshop skills) but I still haven't seen an example of you guys using theses skills to create something completely of your own. Which is exactly what my argument is targeted for. Many of you saw me as entering your "gfx territory" and immediately wanted to challenge me into some GFX battle. Which is very primitive minded, acting like cavemen that don't like other cavemen because they entered there territory but don't like them even though they are giving them a warning of an incoming tide. I am not trying to do anything like compare your skills with mines, or show that I am better then you or you are better then me, that honestly doesn't matter. I am sure that all of you are perfectly capable of doing such a thing but why do you choose to refuse to do it when you are perfectly capable of it and when it is truly rewarding? This debate is very irrelevant to the original topic, maybe we can move it elsewhere? Edited August 7, 2009 by DEEhunter
Happy Buddah Posted August 7, 2009 Report Posted August 7, 2009 i'm not trying to "challenge you" for entering "my territory" as you say, all i was orignally doing was calling you out on your comment made in this topic, i honestly didn't know who you were before that. it's nothing like a territory battle or anything, and honestly ibotmodz wouldn't be a front i would use for something stupid like that. ibotmodz is not a gfx site and never will be, i just post my stuff here because this is where i first started i guess. yea, this is extremely off topic, let's take this to the off-topic section or msn? haha
10mejia Posted August 7, 2009 Report Posted August 7, 2009 (edited) Umm, may i add something here? if there were no stocks or renders...then how would art/sigs be able to be learned?I mean, DEE, your modeling skills would probably not increase if you didnt use "other ppls work" or objects from another game, correct? Edited August 7, 2009 by 10mejia
DEEhunter Posted August 7, 2009 Report Posted August 7, 2009 Umm, may i add something here? if there were no stocks or renders...then how would art/sigs be able to be learned?I mean, DEE, your modeling skills would probably not increase if you didnt use "other ppls work" or objects from another game, correct?If there where no stocks or renders then people would have actually made sigs using there own methods. My skills would have increased if i didnt make other people's work because I would still have something to model, whether it exists or not.
Curtis Posted August 7, 2009 Report Posted August 7, 2009 I'm glad you guys can keep your cool. @Diablo you have no say in any of this,@Deehunter i don't agree with you@HB i agree with you.
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